Re: [PATCH] mm/damon: introduce DAMON-based NUMA memory tiering module

[Krzysztof Kozlowski]

On 30/03/2026 08:27, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 3/27/26 16:22, Josh Law wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> in general we try to be a welcoming upstream community. Finding people
>>> that are willing to work on the low-level bits and stick around is rare.
>>>
>>> At the same time, we need people that are willing to get familiar with
>>> the code base and technology, so they can help out with review and
>>> provide long-term value to the project. AI use is only partially useful
>>> in that context. Certainly not for writing patches as a newbie. At best,
>>> to double-check your understanding (e.g., AI review), help you learn
>>> (e.g., explore the code base), or improve your writing if your English
>>> is really, really bad.
>>>
>>> I prefer someone trying to use their own words to compose a change log
>>> and actually learn something on the way over some AI slop that reads
>>> nicer any day. Often, when you write a changelog you actually realize
>>> which corner cases you might be missing, that the design might be overly
>>> complicated, that, maybe, the reasoning or motivation is bad etc. It
>>> takes time but you actually learn something and are forced to think
>>> (crazy, right?).
>>>
>>> The same is particularly true when it comes to writing documentation, as
>>> people raised earlier in other context.
>>>
>>> Having that said, your actions made a lot of people's alarms go off and
>>> there is pretty much 0 trust now. As Lorenzo says, even now we are not
>>> really sure if you are saying the truth right now, which is a big problem.
>>>
>>> If you are, in fact, a real person, and are passionate to work on the
>>> kernel, it would be best if you would start things very slowly and don't
>>> use any AI for crafting your patches (including patch descriptions).
>>> Stick to one subsystem and ask people what good starting tasks/projects
>>> could be.
>>>
>>> Ideally, you'd find someone people trust around here, that can verify
>>> your identity (i.e., have a video chat etc) and start mentoring you on
>>> how to start working in the kernel community and gain trust.
>>>
>>> Now, I am still not sure whether I am talking to a bot here (there are
>>> too many things Lorenzo points out above that are very suspicious), but
>>> I just wanted to say that there are ways to become a trusted
>>> contributor, and that information might be useful for other people that
>>> might be interested in working on the kernel.
>>>
>>> It's certainly not by flooding the list with AI slop.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hello david, thanks for being polite about this whole thing!
>>
>>
>> so, you are talking to a real human, i promise you that now
> 
> That's exactly, what I would say if I were a bot ;)
> 
> As a first step, fix the line wrapping. The following document was
> helpful to me in the past:
> 
> 	Documentation/process/email-clients.rst

Yeah, good luck. Several people asked for that already, like 10 or 20
times. Andrew asked that a few times.

And yesterday we got another sloppy posting, so that would be it for
having some time off to learn things and take slowly. 3 days after this
AI slop which does not even build.

Best regards,
Krzysztof